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Guardian Readalong: Vol. 2, Chapters 11 & 12

Guardian novel readalong


Whether you've been with us all the way, are just catching up, or are newly joining in - welcome to this week's chapters!

Here are last week's chapters, and you can find all previous discussions on the schedule posts (vol. 1 part 1, vol. 1 part 2, vol. 2), or via the !readalong tag.

This week's chapters:
  • Chapter 11: Zhao Yunlan goes to the SID while blind, figuring out how to properly use his Heavenly Eye along the way. He establishes some new rules for the SID and begins to research Kunlun. They hear about the Yao Market, which should have a cure for his eyesight.
  • Chapter 12: Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan are domestic and soft, and Daqing takes Shen Wei's measure. Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan visit the Yao Market and get their cure. Shen Wei claims not to know details about ancient times. The Crows arrive.
The corresponding chapters in the Chinese version on JJWXC/the fan translation are 61-63.

Excerpts:

1) Shen Wei's merits

Zhao Yunlan turned toward him. The perception granted by his Heavenly Eye just kept getting clearer and brighter, and now, through it, he gazed at Shen Wei.

What he saw was row after row of the bright red text that represented Shen Wei's merits. Those crimson characters flashed into existence repeatedly...yet none of them lasted. They appeared with the swiftness of the tide, only to be washed away by vast waves of darkness, as ephemeral as marks in the sand.

Zhao Yunlan's eyes suddenly stung as an emotion crashed over him, surging up from someplace he couldn't identify. It was as though some memory had been buried deep for hundreds of thousands of years, and a hurricane had just passed through and blown away the deep layers of dust covering it. What was revealed was some naked, inescapable truth that stabbed into the heart, setting off cascading waves of pain.


2) What Zhu Hong sees

When Zhu Hong knocked and came in, what she saw was two people who brought out the best in each other without getting in the other's way. She paused in the doorway, gripped by the feeling that if she entered, her presence would be completely extraneous.


3) Shen Wei and Zhao Yunlan talk about Zhu Hong and are very soft (sorry for the length of this excerpt, I couldn't bear to cut anything)

Shen Wei looked up from his ancient text. "Do you think she, ah, has feelings for..."

"Mmn." Zhao Yunlan spread out a new piece of yellow paper, measuring with his fingers as he spoke. "I hadn't noticed it before. But now that I do know, I should do something about it before it's too late."

Shen Wei sighed, and Zhao Yunlan chuckled.

"What are you sighing for? What future is there for a workplace romance? Besides, humans and yao don't belong together. What's the point in getting involved?"

Zhao Yunlan only meant exactly what he said, but Shen Wei read more into it than he'd intended. There was a brief silence before Shen Wei asked, "Then you and I...as a ghost and a human, shouldn't we stay apart?"

"What?" Zhao Yunlan reflexively reached out, getting cinnabar all over his hand. After a frozen second, he exclaimed, "We're not the same at all! I like you so much."

He said it so casually, as if there were nothing sweet and romantic about the words. It might have been the kind of idle chitchat people exchange while enjoying tea and a lovely fragrance together. As snow blanketed the world outside, such simple words seemed ordinary, yet warm with sincerity.

A hand suddenly pressed against the hand Zhao Yunlan was using to hold a talisman in place. The touch interrupted the movement of the brush, and the spiritual energy leaked out of the talisman. Just like that, it went to waste.

At some point, Shen Wei had closed the distance between them; now he placed his hands on the chair's armrests, trapping Zhao Yunlan with his arms. Almost piously, Shen Wei closed his eyes and leaned in close. He held his breath, and there was the faintest quiver to his eyelashes. Ever so carefully, he kissed the tip of Zhao Yunlan's nose. Then, even more slowly, he dared to move his mouth lower. This cautious exploration continued until his lips brushed Zhao Yunlan's.

It was incredibly gentle and warm, even as he parted Zhao Yunlan's lips, feeling their slight dryness and dipping so, so softly between them. There was no sense at all that he sought anything more than this.

He was so helplessly in love, yearning for the sweetness of a kiss, for the simple touch of skin on skin.

This man before him was like some sort of deadly poison. Shen Wei had struggled with all his might and still failed to resist. He had only fallen ever deeper.


4) Daqing questions Shen Wei

Daqing cleaned his claws. He and Shen Wei studied each other for a while, and then he asked, "Are you human?"

Shen Wei didn't know how to respond to that.

Daqing hurried to explain. "No, don't misunderstand. That's not an insult. I mean it literally-literally, you understand? As in, are you human or something else...? Something not human, you know?"

The question hit Shen Wei right where it hurt. After a bit more silence, he shook his head.

To his surprise, Daqing let out a sigh of relief. Talking more to himself than Shen Wei, he said, "It's good that you're not human. Not human... Hmm... That little brat has such a punchable face, but he's not a bad person. He really likes you, so don't betray his trust."

Shen Wei said simply, "How could I? As long as he still wants me, I will not betray him in life or death."


5) Shen Wei keeps secrets

Baffled, Zhao Yunlan persisted, "But isn't Gonggong the God of Water? Who's this 'Mountain God of the Great Wild'? God of which mountain? I've never heard of Buzhou also having a Mountain God."

This time Shen Wei took even longer to reply, and his answer was vague. "Maybe it does have one? I don't know the details of things that happened back in those times."

Something in his voice told Zhao Yunlan to stop pressing. He fell silent, idly scratching his fingernail across his palm and occasionally tapping along to the beat of the song.


Questions:

I have so many feelings about the merits just washing away from Shen Wei - how about you? What do you think about Zhao Yunlan essentially locking down the SID without explanation - and what does his team think about it? Did Zhao Yunlan really not notice Zhu Hong's feelings before? How do you like the Yao Market? (Does it remind you of scenes from historical dramas, too?) And we've got a few things in these chapters with parallels in the drama - any thoughts about those?

(As usual, these are just conversation starters - feel free to answer all, some, or none, and to say as much or as little as you like!)

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facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-06 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
"The bandages are particularly weird. Maybe he asked for them? :D"

For his cosplay of course. ;D :D :D

"I think I was wondering about Shen Wei's ability to register Merits at all, even if they don't stick -- but who knows? Yesterday brain was yesterday brain. ;-)"

Heee, and oh, yep, in the end I think every being other than actual ghosts of actual living people can register merits. Humans, yao, gods, and clearly the gui too.

"I appreciate that they turned the "multiple versions of a thing, with confusing repetitions" part into CSZ's dream sequence in the drama, so making sense of it wasn't critical to understanding the Weilan storyline. ;-p"

Omg, I totally agree, and also I didn't think of that AT ALL before reading your comment!! This WAS the actual intentional equivalent of this entire confusing af narrative, I would bet on it! :D I am indeed so glad that they didn't put it on Weilan. xD (I never figured out the CSZ storyline either, and so far I've never cared enough to find out if someone explained it. xD)

"Yeah, exactly. I was thinking about that bottle of spirits he gives her in the mountains to warm up, too"

Oh yep, I remember that, aw. He would 100% do these for every member of his team, but when someone you're crushing on happens to do it for you, ooooof, it must be hard/impossible to explain it away.

"Oh no, this is ringing faint bells for me now. I'm sure I've seen something like this in... some media, somewhere. Dammit! Like, yeah, the shadow of the attacker being burned into a person's retinas or something. *racks brains*"

That's so funny because it seems to be a trope, so obviously there must be many examples, but I'm having the same feeling - I've seen it somewhere specific and I have absolutely no idea where. xD
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2025-04-06 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
oh, yep, in the end I think every being other than actual ghosts of actual living people can register merits. Humans, yao, gods, and clearly the gui too.

But can the other gui register merits (Ghost Face, for example), or is this something Kunlun did to Shen Wei specifically? *is still unclear; may possibly be talking around in circles, sorry*

This WAS the actual intentional equivalent of this entire confusing af narrative, I would bet on it! :D I am indeed so glad that they didn't put it on Weilan. xD (I never figured out the CSZ storyline either, and so far I've never cared enough to find out if someone explained it. xD)

Right! I found the whole dream sequence ~so~ confusing in the drama, until we figured it out during the rewatch, and now it's fallen right out of my head again, which bits were real and which were part of the dream(s)... (The crying in the SID library is real, and completely heartbreaking.)

but when someone you're crushing on happens to do it for you, ooooof, it must be hard/impossible to explain it away.

Yeah, even if you know logically that it doesn't necessarily mean what you want it to mean.

obviously there must be many examples, but I'm having the same feeling - I've seen it somewhere specific and I have absolutely no idea where. xD

*high fives you in brain-wracking memoryfail* ;-D
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-06 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"But can the other gui register merits (Ghost Face, for example), or is this something Kunlun did to Shen Wei specifically? *is still unclear; may possibly be talking around in circles, sorry*"

Ooooh, that's a great question! I just automatically assumed that they can simply because they're not ~actual ghosts~, but it doesn't have to mean that at all, so it's entirely possible that they cannot. Then Shen Wei would be able to do it because of Kunlun who made him part-god, yes!

"Right! I found the whole dream sequence ~so~ confusing in the drama, until we figured it out during the rewatch, and now it's fallen right out of my head again, which bits were real and which were part of the dream(s)... (The crying in the SID library is real, and completely heartbreaking.)"

That's kinda exactly how the novel backstory works for me, lol - even when I remember what happened, I keep forgetting which parts actually happened in-world, even after I already figured some of them out. xD (And the crying in the drama is probably the main thing I thought was real, glad to be right, but also not because SAD, lol.)
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2025-04-07 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooh, that's a great question! I just automatically assumed that they can simply because they're not ~actual ghosts~, but it doesn't have to mean that at all, so it's entirely possible that they cannot.

It seems quite possible to me that it's an unknown, in that none of the others ever try to do meritous deeds, you know? They probably assume they can't register them, because of All The Darkness, but maybe that's just an assumption.

Then Shen Wei would be able to do it because of Kunlun who made him part-god, yes!

This also seems entirely possible! *is completely agnostic about the cosmology* ;-)

That's kinda exactly how the novel backstory works for me, lol - even when I remember what happened, I keep forgetting which parts actually happened in-world, even after I already figured some of them out. xD

Yeah, I remember handwaving vast swathes of volume 3, lol. :D
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-07 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
"It seems quite possible to me that it's an unknown, in that none of the others ever try to do meritous deeds, you know? They probably assume they can't register them, because of All The Darkness, but maybe that's just an assumption."

And this is also definitely a possibility! (And they wouldn't be wrong - if nothing sticks in the end, then it's not like it really matters whether the process is happening or not.) Hmmm, and now I'm thinking - when the red text doesn't show up you still see the black text. So if this process is happening to Ghost Face too and he doesn't know about it, it could mean that Shen Wei can't see it happening to himself either. *hopes against hope that Shen Wei has never seen what his merits are doing* (Obviously Ghost Face may be able to see it perfectly well and just not give a flying fuck, which is more likely. xD)
china_shop: Close-up of Zhao Yunlan grinning (Default)

[personal profile] china_shop 2025-04-07 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
(Obviously Ghost Face may be able to see it perfectly well and just not give a flying fuck, which is more likely. xD)

Ha, yes -- plus, I feel like the gui probably view the whole merit system as "that's nothing to do with us", if you know what I mean. Like, they're not trying to cultivate, they have no interest in doing good deeds (what would that even look like for them?), their essential nature is fixed and unchanging anyway, etc. (Uh, ignore me if I'm repeating myself. /dork :D)
Edited 2025-04-07 20:12 (UTC)
facethestrange: (guardian: zhao yunlan lollipop)

[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-08 09:44 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, yep, I can totally see that! Well, the same was true for Shen Wei and he did decide to change (before Kunlun did anything for him other than exist in his vicinity), but he is quite sure that without Kunlun this is exactly the kind of life he would be leading too, so yeah, true. I think without enough motivation it's straight-up impossible to break out of that. Like, even if you got the idea that a different way of living exists, which I think most of them just don't, you still would just give up right away because the ~nature~ thing is so strong (still strong for Shen Wei even in the present).
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[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-04-08 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
"So he's stuck being in-between, fitting in nowhere, which is exactly his overall situation."

Ahhh, OUCH. Okay, now I'm on board that this is exactly what happened and that Shen Wei is special in this regard too, if only because it would be another thing that really drives this point home.