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FOCUS ON: THE REGENT

摄政官 shè zhèng guān
(My Chinese dictionary says “shè” = acting for; “zhèng = political administration; “guān” = government official.)
I am basing this discussion on the drama only.
The Regent is one of the most interesting, and appalling, characters in Guardian. He's a villain, sort of, but a unique one. The other villains in the drama, every one of them from Ye Zun on down, all seem to have some kind of grievance or want some kind of revenge, but the Regent is the only one whose motivation is simply to hold on to his political power.
What we know about him:
He is one of the three rulers of Dixing: the Lord, the Regent, and the Black Cloaked Envoy. Just how long he has been Regent is unknown. He was there when Shen Wei was awakened from the ground (however long ago that was), but he knows the events of 10,000 years ago only as legends.
He is probably the most morally corrupt character in the Guardian universe. He is the consummate political opportunist; ready, willing and able to switch sides at the first hint of danger or advantage to himself. He’s cowardly, deceitful, obsequious, manipulative, and cruel. He’s full of platitudes and false “kindness” to explain his actions.
Nobody likes him. Nobody trusts him, at least, not more than once. Shen Wei barely tolerates him. Chu Shuzhi hates him. Zhao Yunlan thinks he’s a joke at first but soon learns better. Butler Wu says of him, “He’s infamous in Dixing.” Ye Zun tries to kill him, both personally and by proxy. And yet, somehow, he stays in power and survives to the very end, alive to finally see light in Dixing.
And there is just no end to his sliminess!
We first meet him in episode 15 on the streets of Dragon City, pretending to be a harmless old man to Guo Changcheng.

He then cringes and toadies to Shen Wei in a manner that will become very familiar.


Here’s the flashback, with the Regent sucking up after Shen Wei emerges from his long sleep.

Once back in Dixing, the Regent assumes his standard appearance, somehow acquiring long hair and a beard, but his obsequiousness remains. There is no doubt that he is lying and stonewalling about the loss of the Dijun Register, and we find out later that he helped hide Ding Dun’s theft all along. He may even have arranged the “assault” of An Bai and friends to embarrass Zhao Yunlan.

He agrees to the framing of An Bai and friends for the murder of the Lord of Dixing, and then blackmails An Bai into becoming the new Lord using the lives of his friends. “What a happy ending. What can compare to the harmony and stability of Dixing.”

Yet he’s not an ally of Ye Zun. When in episode 20 he and the Secretary - who is already under Ye Zun’s control - see Ye Zun manifest out of the pillar he holds back: “One should not be too eager to take sides.” The Regent is always waiting to see which way the wind will blow.

He just wants to be left in peace to run Dixing, terrible as it is. “It’s been the way things work here for thousands of years. It just can’t be changed.”
But when Ye Zun holds the upper hand the Regent is quite happy to further his agenda.
When Shen Wei takes Sha Ya and friend back to Dixing the Regent has lost his deference to Hei Pao Daren. He orders Shen Wei shot, taunts him with the diminution of his powers, then uses Sha Ya and friend as hostages to get him to surrender. The niceness gloves are off now.

The Regent does have a philosophy of government, or maybe just a philosophy to justify himself. When Shen Wei returns to Dixing - for the last time - and demands to know why the Regent is now working for Ye Zun, he says, “Dijun palace is the center of government of Dixing. Be it peace or wartime, if we abandon it, who will look after the people?” This is his ostensible justification, but he’s probably saying it not just because it’s true, but because it works on Shen Wei.

The Regent doesn’t like to witness violence. He’d much rather order it to happen somewhere else where it won’t upset him. He’s an uncomfortable witness to Ye Zun’s torture of Shen Wei.

When Shen Wei tries again to persuade him to stop following Ye Zun he says,“Ye Zun has the shrewdness and capability to let us Dixing people return to the surface,” implying that winning is everything. Yet he continues, “When one is old one likes to be more prudent.” And so he plays both sides and allows Shen Wei to escape.
The guy just can’t help betraying everybody he comes in contact with, and doing whatever it takes to save his own skin. He allows Zhao Yunlan to take him hostage in order to escape and is nearly killed by Ye Zun for this. But he manages to survive by revealing that it was a ploy to get Zhao Yunlan to reveal the location of the Guardian Lantern.

Sadly, he’s still alive at the end. That, if anything, does not really bode well for the future of Dixing.

Questions: What is the Regent’s power? Does he even have one? (I have my own theory about that!) How does he resist coming under the control of Ye Zun? How did he become Regent? What will he do in Dixing post canon? Has his character changed by the end? Does he have any redeeming characteristics at all?
I have been unable to find any fanworks explicitly focusing on the Regent, and I'm not surprised.
So - come and talk about the Regent! Share links to meta, picspams, and related fanworks, new or old! Self-recs whole-heartedly encouraged. Basically, this is the place for anything you want to say or link to about the Regent.
Important: If you're commenting with meta/discussion/thoughts, please say whether you're coming from a novel perspective, a drama perspective, or a blend of the two, so we don't end up talking past each other. Thanks!
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The very definition of "opportunist". And the question of what he's gonna do now, post-series, is fascinating. Something weaselly, I have no doubt!
Chu Shuzhi hates him
OMG, when he first sees Chu Shuzhi and calls him "Xiao Chu"? I thought Chu Shuzhi was going to BITE HIS FACE OFF.
I had never thought about the beard-hair-brows/none-of-the-above thing between Dixing and Haixing. Is it like Shen Wei becoming the Envoy, except instead of a cloak and mask, the Regent conjures a different grooming situation? Maybe it's the world's most quotidian Dark Energy power. :D
(and to help calibrate the image issue, I can see them all.)
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I agree! Mainly because, I am greedy. :D
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It's like figuring out what Zhu Jiu's power is, since he can not only teleport but also zap with dark energy. Do all Dixingren have the dark energy bolt power, so it doesn't count as their special power? Do all Dixingren have the ability to look different when they want?
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That whole scene is so good!
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How does he resist coming under the control of Ye Zun?
I've wondered about that! He implies only weak/foolish people are controlled by Ye Zun, but I'm not sure that's the case. Secretary dude doesn't seem weak or foolish. And then later, the implication is that one way Ye Zun gets to others by offering them what they want, and maybe that's how he gets to the smarter/stronger ones. Much as I don't like the Regent (that asshole), he's smart. What would he want that Ye Zun could've offered him? Power? But he has that already, and I can't tell if he wants more power, or if he just wants to maintain the status quo. He seems satisfied with his own level of control over Dixing -- if only he didn't have to deal with those meddling twins and their issues! :)
On the other hand, it could be that Ye Zun hasn't tried to control the Regent. Once Ye Zun knows he's more powerful than the Regent, he wouldn't need to, because he'll see that the Regent will always stick to the winning side once it's clear who's winning. But also, it takes up Ye Zun's energy to control a lot of people, and my theory is that if he has to work harder to control someone smart and mentally strong, that's also using up a lot of energy. Maybe controlling the Regent wouldn't have been worth the energy for Ye Zun.
On the third hand, though... What to make of the tidbit we find out from the Shadow Man about the day the Shadow Man tried to take the Longevity Dial: "The Regent opened the jail and organized [the] prisoners into a siege squad to besiege Ye Zun at the Sky Pillar." What is that about? Maybe it was the Regent's last stand against Ye Zun.
How did he become Regent?
I hadn't thought about that, but now I want to know! And were the Lords of Dixing always as we see, or is that something the Regent put into place? (Or is it that creepy throne they sit on?) Was there a different Regent before this one? Uggggh, you're making me interested in the Regent's backstory and I hate that guy! LOL. But seriously, the Regent's character says so many things about what Dixing is like and how it's been governed, and that I find interesting.
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I think it's entirely possible the Regent doesn't have the kind of vulnerability Ye Zun's mind manipulation power exploits, exactly because he's already the Regent and he doesn't actually want anything to change. The way I see him, he just wants to keep what he's already got. He just wants other people to stop interfering! As you say, Ye Zun doesn't really have anything to offer him on that front - the opposite, rather; he's all interference. *g*
What to make of the tidbit we find out from the Shadow Man about the day the Shadow Man tried to take the Longevity Dial: "The Regent opened the jail and organized [the] prisoners into a siege squad to besiege Ye Zun at the Sky Pillar." What is that about? Maybe it was the Regent's last stand against Ye Zun.
Oooh! That's such a good point. I'm not sure about the time frame - I've seen people assume it happened before episode 1, but personally I always thought this thing with the prisoners must have happened some time after Shen Wei took the Shadow Man to prison after he took him on the rooftop. I don't think Ye Zun was active enough earlier for the Regent to pay him any attention? But either way, it does suggest that at some point, the Regent at least went so far as to test Ye Zun's power, and presumably ended up deciding he was too strong to defeat. Fascinating!
Or is it that creepy throne they sit on?
That's what I've always assumed, and that's the approach I've seen in fic, too. (Though the Regent is definitely the type of person who would make that kind of thing happen if it wasn't already in place, and if he could figure out how!)
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I've always felt he arranged it, and not just to embarrass Zhao Yunlan, but also to test him: is Zhao Yunlan gullibly buying the Regent's frail old man act, how strong is he, if attacked by An Bai & friends will Zhao Yunlan fight back and win, etc.
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Ooh, yes, those are all great.
Also, I mean, the Regent meant to bring Zhao Yunlan on his own, so I keep wondering what his intended end game was. He's just received a message from Zhao Yunlan inquiring about "Shen Wei", so he knows Zhao Yunlan and the Envoy aren't close. He might even assume the Envoy is causing trouble aboveground, if his alias has come to the attention of the SID. So maybe he's using the missing book as a pretext to get Zhao Yunlan on his side? And if Zhao Yunlan gets into hot water with some troublemakers on the streets of Dixing, and the Regent rescues him, then Zhao Yunlan will owe him/be more kindly disposed towards him. Then, if necessary, the Regent can use that connection in his dealings with the Envoy, who is supposed to be living quietly in the SID's jurisdiction -- maybe?
And if that doesn't work out, perhaps Zhao Yunlan will at least find the book before the Envoy discovers it's missing. (Dixing really should get itself some investigators!)
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His power... good question. I used to say jokingly that it had to be world-class grovelling, but I guess you don't need to be from Dixing for that. Taking it seriously, I don't really know. He doesn't do anything reminiscent of a Dixing power, ever, that I can remember. (I take the costume/grooming change to be part of the deal that lets him access Haixing.)
There are apparently Dixingren whose power never awakens. Maybe he's one of them?
As for not coming under Ye Zun's power, I could imagine that he's simply too weaselly for it. Maybe that's his power! Too weaselly for mind control! But it could also be, like suggested upthread, that Ye Zun figured he wasn't worth expending that kind of energy on, since he could always be intimidated into doing things. Who needs mind control when saving his own skin is the guy's be all and end all in life?
He became Regent by managing to elimiate the competition using any means available. Furtively, of course.
Dixing post canon... that does not fill me with optimism. This is the guy who wouldn't even let Shen Wei build schools. He clearly wants to keep the general populace badly educated and ambitionless. I don't think a bit of sunshine is going to change that. Best case scenario, An Bai - no longer chained to the throne - makes him a generous severance deal and he retires into the countryside, letting someone better take over.
I don't think his character has changed by the end. This guy is oodles of years old and set in his weaselly ways.
Not so much a redeeming characteristic but in theory he appears to be more on the SID's side than on Ye Zun's. Not that the theory matters all that much when coupled with his drive for self-preservation. Still, he didn't have to let Shen Wei go.
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Mine says 摄政 shèzhèng means regent, so I assume that's where the translation comes from. But some of the old subtitles used "Justiciar", and I have no clue about that.
Great post! Yeah, the Regent is vile, but it's really interesting to contrast him with the other villains - all of them want to achieve something, while he just wants to hold on to what he's got and maintain the status quo. By any means.
He then cringes and toadies to Shen Wei in a manner that will become very familiar.
And it was so satisfying to see Shen Wei shout and snap at him like that! But it must have been incredibly frustrating for Shen Wei because they both knew nothing was going to change.
the Regent assumes his standard appearance, somehow acquiring long hair and a beard, but his obsequiousness remains
I always found it so fascinating that only the Envoy and the Regent were ever seen to do this kind of appearance swap! And the Regent's hair length change made me wonder if Shen Wei has long hair under that black hood, too ...
He may even have arranged the “assault” of An Bai and friends to embarrass Zhao Yunlan.
I think he did that to figure out how much of a meddler Zhao Yunlan was?
When in episode 20 he and the Secretary - who is already under Ye Zun’s control - see Ye Zun manifest out of the pillar he holds back: “One should not be too eager to take sides.” The Regent is always waiting to see which way the wind will blow.
Yeah, that scene is so telling! He really doesn't want to pick the wrong side, so he keeps waiting, which is the a big part of the reason Ye Zun gets as far as he does. When the Regent finally realises that defeating Ye Zun is the only way, it's too late to stop him. I do wonder if he learns something from that, because if he hadn't dithered for so long and had taken Shen Wei's side early on, that would have strengthened his own position. Whereas what he did - waiting to see who comes out on top, then supporting Ye Zun because he thought Ye Zun was winning, and then trying to play both sides - ultimately got him eaten by Ye Zun. (Not sure how much self-awareness he has under that slimy exterior of his ...)
“Dijun palace is the center of government of Dixing. Be it peace or wartime, if we abandon it, who will look after the people?” This is his ostensible justification, but he’s probably saying it not just because it’s true, but because it works on Shen Wei.
Yeah, I don't think he actually believes that!
What is the Regent’s power?
Other than "Extreme Sliminess" I have no idea! Maybe he doesn't have one, and that's how he ended up scheming his way to the top, because as someone without any powers he was never going to be important otherwise?
How does he resist coming under the control of Ye Zun?
IIRC Wu Tian'en says at one point that Ye Zun's powers only work on the vulnerable. I think the Regent just doesn't have an exploitable vulnerability in the same way most of Ye Zun's victims do because he wants to maintain the status quo. He's already in charge; he's got what he wants; he just wants people not to get in his way. And Ye Zun has nothing to offer him on that front. And Ye Zun wants flunkies who do things for him, which is the exact opposite of what the Regent wants, so that probably doesn't help.
How did he become Regent?
See above - he probably schemed himself to the top. But no idea otherwise.
What will he do in Dixing post canon? Has his character changed by the end? Does he have any redeeming characteristics at all?
I don't think he's changed. But what he'll do in the future depends a lot on how self-aware he is, and how much he's willing and able to admit to himself that his own actions (and/or lack thereof) undermined his goals, and that he would probably have ended up in a much better place if he'd worked with Shen Wei from the start, rather than obstructing him at every turn. (Chances are not good, but I don't think it's impossible? He's not stupid, after all.)
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Drive-by comment: in the novel, the character who comes closest to the Regent is called a 'Judge' so I guess novel terminology influenced whoever did those subs.
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According to wikipedia, "In Medieval England and Scotland the Chief Justiciar (later known simply as the Justiciar) was roughly equivalent to a modern Prime Minister[1] as the monarch's chief minister."
It's not a term I've heard before, but it probably fits his role a bit better than "Regent" -- "A regent (from the Latin regens:[1] ruling, governing[2][3]) is a person appointed to govern a state pro tempore (Latin: ’for the time being’) because the regnant monarch is a minor, is absent, or is incapacitated."
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(Honestly, not that cracky. I'd buy it!)
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:-)
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In the flashback to the Regent's running things before Shen Wei wakes up (ep 35, 29:39), he says, "Ten thousand years ago, the Black-Cloaked Envoy worked hard to make this refuge viable. I can't be the one to ruin that with my old man's inefficiency." When his off-sider remarks, "In my opinion, it's because the Black-Cloaked Envoy was too much of a coward that we have to live here at all," and the Regent silences him with a sharp look and sends him off to check on the Sky Pillar/Ye Zun.
So at one point, the Regent was doing his best -- respectful of the Envoy's legacy, keeping an eye on Ye Zun, sending Ding Dun and co aboveground in search of the missing Hallows, with the express permission of the Dept of Supervision -- so he had a good working relationship with Haixing. (He was also already complaining: "Calm down! The fuss you're making gives me a backache.")
So maybe he's just someone who, the worse things get, the worse he gets? I realise this is probably a vastly over-optimistic reading of him, but... there's a chance that post-canon, with light and resources restored to Dixing and Ye Zun's corrupting influence taken out of the mix, he won't be completely terrible? I mean, probably not at all progressive, but not actively oppressive either? *fingers crossed*
Re: his grovelling to Shen Wei in the SID in episode 15, I mean, he's come to Haixing behind the Envoy's back (I'm guessing the Regent is more or less the boss of Dixing, while the Envoy/Ambassador has jurisdiction over Dixing stuff in Haixing[1]), AND he's made contact with the SID without consulting/notifying the Envoy, AND he's broken the law and lost the book. Both the Envoy and the Regent have to at least pay lip service to the law or they lose any legitimacy, so the Regent here is taking his lumps. Given what Dixing usually does to lawbreakers, a little grovelling and abasement isn't that bad!
[1] This would explain a) how the Regent can ignore Shen Wei's proposals for a school, and b) why he might think Shen Wei was impertinent for sticking his oar in to domestic affairs.
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I could see that. He's someone who wants to be on the winning side no matter what, but if things are generally good "winning" is probably just a matter of everyday domestic politics and not world-changing disasters. The lower the stakes, the less likely he's going to end up causing awful things by trying to make sure he's betting on the right horse.
I'm guessing the Regent is more or less the boss of Dixing, while the Envoy/Ambassador has jurisdiction over Dixing stuff in Haixing
The Envoy also seems to have a say in how crime is punished, to some degree, but otherwise, yes, I'd agree.
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